bnsf crew change points

Good threads on this string. Shop online for BNSF-branded merchandise. Here we explore how our investments and innovations enable the reliable and efficient delivery of freight. Apparently extending crew districts is in E. Hunter Harrison's bag of tricks, which as far as I know now, he hasn't yet pulled out. Need to talk with someone at BNSF about a news report youre putting together? The project in Amarillo was completed in early September. When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. BNSF plays a vital role in our economys supply chain, moving freight across our nation every day. Each employee begins with 30 points for a career, Knutson said. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. Then Alliance, NE? Ideally, a crew goes on duty, gets its paperwork, gets out of the yard, reaches its destination, and ties up comfortably within the maximum 12 hours on duty allowed by the federal hours-of-service law. * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? -Ryan [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 07/18/07 21:48 Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. Re: BNSF Crew Change Points Author: BN7149 The railroad is run as an East-West route. At Galesburg we have 2 westbound stack trains, a couple of eastbound stackers, eastbound P train, plus the roadrailers, and vehicle trains. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. The last time we were in Albany, werode back to the station with a road crew in the van, and I engaged in some conversation with them. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. "It was a way to limit time off even though they didn't have a lot of people and they needed a lot of people," said Knutson. Courtney Goodson has been working as a BNSF conductor for about five years. Crew districts are not static. Discussion forum related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. Jeff, can you tell us the reason for having the two pools (short and long)? And, crew change points were (and still are)not always the same for engine crews and for train crews on the same train. Information about the railroad through Flagstaff, Arizona The rail line through Flagstaff is operated by the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF). (Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). More than just lines on a map, a railroad is people. Find images, videos and PDFs that help tell you more about BNSF. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. Back in my road days, when we'd end up at a hotel after a very long and tiring trip, and some guy who was obviously an over-eager railfan would see us and ask us if we were railroaders, we'd always answer: NOPE! This was a 4-mile, single-track chokepoint until March 2011, when the railroad completed a 30-month, $85 million effort to push through a second track. Today, 41 years later and the HOS at 12 hours (changed Dec. 26, 1972) the crew usually do not have trouble making it from SLO to LA (which is still inter-divisional, but only a one ended pool). EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. Othello, WA to Tacoma, WA, running thru Cle Elum was also instituted. Rail is the most environmentally efficient mode of surface transportation and at BNSF we are committed to improving the efficiency of our network in a way that benefits both our customers and the environment. where are they south of La Crosse? I guess he's got a point because all the trains stopat such places. Crew districts are not static. myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. Check this site for information about benefits and retirement plans. During April many coal mtys will govia Cheyenne to the Orin line while the tunnel west of Guernseyis being day lighted. They can be added if employees work during periods that are more in demand. Other changes on the PCE were Alberton, MT to St. Maries, ID and St. Maries, ID to Othello, WA. Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. Back in my road days, when we'd end up at a hotel after a very long and tiring trip, and some guy who was obviously an over-eager railfan would see us and ask us if we were railroaders, we'd always answer: NOPE! Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. ;-). Othello, WA to Tacoma, WA, running thru Cle Elum was also instituted. If I had not already packed my 1893 Guide in preparation for moving, I could give you the name of each road. BNSF modified their policy on June 1. Would this be the right list for the Transcon? I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. At BNSF, we are proud and honored to receive recognitions from various organizations. KINGMAN is an AMTRAK only crew change. Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. In Canada CN began running longer crew districts on the prairies in the 1990's, I think. Others are where two adjacent crew districts were merged into one, with the crews running through the former change point between the two on all, or most trains. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. Here are> some places I know they run helpers at least occassionally:> > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake. And, crew change points were (and still are)not always the same for engine crews and for train crews on the same train. Log in to get the latest information on your invoices, payments and purchase orders. Knutson said he thinks the policy was implemented for several reasons. Welcome to the BNSF newsroom. (Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). Long pools for some runs where Intermodals can skip crew changes, but slower freights can't. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. BNSF's secure customer website enables shipment tracking, bill payment, and more. Job Location: Mandan Other Potential Locations: Mandan, ND Anticipated Start Date: 04/10/2023 Number of Positions: 20 Salary Range: Entry rate is approx. Sometimes it would take the the full 16 hours on the HOS to make the run. In the early 1970's the law was changed to 14 hours and subsequently todays 12 hours. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. I haven't heard of this in a long time, so maybe this was a failed idea. Lately, they are alsohandling most of the auto racks and one Q manifest. Here, youll find news releases, customer notifications and media assets available for use by news organizations. This is via La Junta,they can't go via Trinidad. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. Thanks in advance for your help. The railroad has been one of the major economic drivers and employers for many of the Wyoming communities it passes through. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. Apparently extending crew districts is in E. Hunter Harrison's bag of tricks, which as far as I know now, he hasn't yet pulled out. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. --Ken Stitzel (k@fc.hp.com)Learning Products Engineer (tech writer with functional enhancements), Hewlett-Packard Company (a pretty cool company to work for), Fort Collins, Colorado, USA (somewhere east of Masonville), (Opinions stated herein are provided without warranty and are not, representative of official or unofficial HP policy on shootercrew changes. ;-), --Kirk PettyABC Sign Productskpe@psd.k12.co.uskpe@abcsignproducts.comhttp://www.abcsignproducts.com ____________________________ __________________________ ___/oo|====~~~~~~~~~~~########|| |########~~~~~~~~~~====|oo\____ I_|______UNION PACIFIC__=_=_=_=|_I I_|______UNION PACIFIC___|_____|_I `-'O==O==O`-------------'O==O==O`-'~`-'O==O==O`-------------'O==O==O`-, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message. Here there be cats. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Kevin Knutson is a Gillette-based conductor and union leader who has worked for the railroad for over 40 years. Each intermodal train carries as much freight as 280 trucks, helping alleviate congestion on our nation's highways. This doesn't mean that runs were only 100 miles then or 130 miles now. Allan_Love_Jr, Aug 26, 2007 #1. Recognizing our contribution to our nation's economy, we work to listen and respond to customers' needs, maintain strong corporate governance, provide value to investors, and strategically invest to keep our rail network strong. Serving Carrier Reciprocal Switch Inquiry. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. I guess you're right. While it may not save the railroad money on wages, it saves them on the cost of benefits. Then run pools (through Clinton) to Missouri Valley (hot intermodals only), to Boone (everything else), and pools to Des Moines and Mason City. Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. Usually, the two crew districts that abutted became one double-ended district. Barstow MP 745.9 Home to a very large classification yard and crew change point for the BNSF. For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. In days past, the away terminal was often a remote hamlet in between two cities. ?La Junta then Dodge City if going to Kansas CityLa Junta then Amarillo if going to Texas or New Mexico.Except AMADEN & DENAMA also change at Boise City because theydo local work. Does anyone know where the crew change points are from Chicago all the way to Alliance Nebraska? I listen to the CSX on my scanner and often the dispatcher will ask if they are a Garrett or Williard crew. "The attendance policy we had in the past, it would allow basically any person to take two weekend days and five weekdays per month off," he explained. Why Sign In? Get great snapshots of railroading history in Art Petersons newest book. Also Geographically the Twin Cities would be north of La Crosse what does BNSF consider it (are trains from Chicago to the twin Cities northbound or westbound?) I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. UP crew changes:* Denver east: no idea* Denver south: Pueblo* Denver west: Bond, then Grand Junction* Denver north: Cheyenne* Pueblo south: same as BNSF, presumably* Cheyenne east: North Platte* Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. "We have had a lot of people resign, quit working, and not just Gillette, across the system, because they went and found other jobs. ), > * Cheyenne east: North Platte> * Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? Currently, it's possible to make Clinton and tie up within 6 hours on duty, on a coal train no less. I just remembered, while sitting in the Oak Tree Inn at Clinton, IA, that they are the UP's contracted provider for crew lodging away from home. Intermodal traffic ships in containers or trailers and is, in many cases, high-priority. Thanks again,everyone! from Calgary to Medicine Hat, AB, created in 1910. Just west of Minot, the train rolled over the 1792-foot-long, 117-foot-tall Gassman Coulee Trestle, one of many high steel bridges on the GN. Find the right person to help you with your retirement benefit questions, including health insurance, the Employee Assistance Program and payroll. Wondering where the crew change points are on the BNSF from Chicago to the Twin Cities on the Aurora and St. Croix Subs? > * Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? It's a way to stay informed about the company, learn more about how freight rail contributes to our way of life, explore the company's rich history and connect with other BNSF supporters. Don't miss this look at the history of America's most influential builder of locomotives. So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll. - Erik. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) Can someone in road service choosewhich pool to work in? Retirees may not work at BNSF any longer, but many are active in their communities and play an important role as unofficial ambassadors for BNSF. The dispatchers were forced to make better meets, yardmasters to get trains out of the yards better and so on. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. Each employee would be given 30 points for the rest of their career but would be docked points for taking off weekdays (two points), weekends (four points), and holidays (ten points). myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. BNSF Railways first-in-the-industry Tribal Relations program seeks to build and strengthen ties with the many diverse tribal nations on BNSFs network, and to foster within BNSF a greater cultural understanding of these tribal nations, their rights and governance, cultural resources, and other crucial issues. / Belen / Clovis / Avard? With only one curve sharper than 3 degrees between the two points, the track alignment was well suited for 50 to 60 MPH freight running - though track maintenance may have been another story. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. All were on lines sold off, embargoed, or substituted with haulage agreements on another railroad. LION *knows* that Mandan is a crew change point, but Dickinson is so no longer, and the next crew change point is Glendive, MT. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. Then Alliance, NE? Paul MN. "The project in Amarillo as well as the other projects between Southern California and Chicago will help all traffic types along the route flow more freely and help prevent congestion.". The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. The "run through"was established in 1970, not too long before I started my railway career with CP in that area. "I can't give you a name of anyone that likes the policy whatsoever," Knutson said. The railroad said they made no changes to how much time off an employee receives. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. However, the longestcrew division is CP's Belleville Subdivision from Smiths Falls ONto Toronto Yard (197 track miles) where the Toronto Terminal officially begins or ends. About ten years ago the railroad proposed moving almost everyone from Boone to Rochelle. "And as far as working 40 hours per trip, again what they're not telling you is, yes, we may be on a train for seven to eight hours going to our destination or back," she said. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. I thought I read that UP phased out Rawlins, and all trains go throughto Green River from Cheyenne. It's not just bad news for workers. http://www.oaktreeinn.com/Hotels is a current list of hotels. In February, BNSF instituted an attendance policy known as Hi-Viz, which drew immediate criticism from employees and railroad unions. Microsoft Train Simulator BNSF Phoenix Sub Crew Change Points? If. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. The crew change point on the South Transcon is Wellington Kan, Amarillo Texas Belen New Mexico Needles California Barstow, California (on some trains) Fresno, California Stockton California--also some trains change crews at Bakersfield, California Maybe others can fill in Dale Smith [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 09/07/16 19:16 If you would like more information on any of the subjects contained in this section, please feel free to contact us. Thanks in advance! * Denver south: Pueblo* Pueblo south: Trinidad? She apologized andI pardoned her and let her go on to wherever it was she needed to go quickly. That's in addition to the $3.3 billion we invested between 2013 and 2017. Note that the Puget Sound Extension and the WP were built in the 1905-1910 time frame and train speeds were up significantly from 30 to 40 years earlier. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. BNSF Railway's first-in-the-industry Tribal Relations program seeks to build and strengthen ties . Official site: Where are the crew change points between Belen and Barstow, and are Belen and Barstow themselves also crew change points? "The cutoff made traversing New Mexico with freight easier by eliminating the steep grades of the Raton Pass from the route and the use of extra locomotive power to make the trip.". Paul MN. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. One of this year's projects was to add a fourth main through Amarillo, Texas. Some are overlays on existing crew districts for certain type trains, intermodal for example. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. At BNSF, we are committed to providing you the information you need to make informed transportation decisions. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. Protests have taken place in cities and towns on BNSF's system, including in Gillette. Don't worry, we won't send you too many. "I honestly hope that this isn't going to be the new normal because people are walking out faster than we can hire them on," said Goodson. A couple less employees to receive benefits. We enable our customers to participate in a wide range of markets in North America and around the world. Several projects are currently underway to further expand the route's efficiency by adding triple- and even quadruple-track long stretches of the busiest parts of the Transcon. He said the policy is very stringent. Meanwhile, BNSF is spending $581 million this year to forge . Jeff, another hotel where you can rub shoulders with men in road service is the Clarion Hotel in Albany, N.Y. Click here to learn about the Unlimited Membership. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. BNSFs Economic Development team can help guide you through the process of expanding, developing or selecting a site. The hotel provides transportation for thecrews and for passengers who come in or go out of the station in Renssalaer, and it is possible to ride in a van with the railroad employees. The satellite view clearly shows impressions of a turntable and roundhouse across the highway from the town. "There's times I'll go a week without seeing my kids [for] more than 10 to 15 minutes just because it's such a brutal policy.". A train in the long pool uses one less crew than if it goes to the short pool. BNSF Crew Change - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read online for free. Discussion related to BNSF operations. This year alone, BNSF is investing approximately $1 billion into the 2,200-mile Southern Transcon route. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. from Calgary to Medicine Hat, AB, created in 1910. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Staying at one of the lodging motels can be interesting, but I wouldnt suggest being too inquiring these days. "It is important to note that there has been no change in how much time off an employee receives. BNSF 1859-345 hump engines. Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? "The Hi-Viz was only partially responsible for them getting people back. Some were/are longer, some were/are shorter. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. I spent quite a few summers in Miles City (my dad's home town) during the 1970's and heard Harlowton mentioned quite a few times, but don't recall hearing about Melstone. The mainliners just blast through town. It would mark a dramatic change to a labor contract that covers about 3,000 workers, or 60 percent of the BNSF system. Stay current with what BNSF is doing to operate a safe rail network, on our network, in the communities through which we operate and the services we offer. Join Today! Crew change points on the old Santa Fe Transco Author: chicohogger. Then Alliance, NE? Major stations: Barstow, Ash Hill; Yards: Needles; Crew Change Points: Needles, Barstow Junctions: Daggett (UPRR Cima Sub) MP 739.6 Highest point: 2187 @ Lavic; Lowest Point: 620 @ Amboy . 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For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. But when the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway established what became known as the Southern Transcon route in the 1880s, parts of the Southwest were now accessible with relative ease. Learn more about our trains, how we operate them, and the variety of railcars we haul, in the informative BNSF Virtual Train Tour. Lately, they are alsohandling most of the auto racks and one Q manifest. Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. The only BNSF jobs @ Kingman is a daytime rd swtchr followed by a afternoon one. This BNSF rail division sees some of the highest tonnage freight traffic in the world (over 100 million tons annually. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. Or even less: As late as the 1990s, there were still a few crew changes in the middle-of-nowhere, consisting of only a few sidings, a crew dormitory, and a 24-hour lunchroom. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay.

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